Barb Banbury

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    Gaurav Vaidya joined the community "EOL API Discussion Group".

    about 1 year ago

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    Patrick Leary commented on "Barb Banbury":

    @Barb Banbury: Hi Barb - your latest comment made it only to your newsfeed but I luckily found it. You differentiate EOL taxon ID from the page number, but we use those terms interchangeably (though there is a different HierarchyEntryID which we use to indicate taxon definitions from provider - e.g. Animalia according to ITIS). You certainly can use this information when searching, but the question I was putting out there is - is this the best way to get around to doing what you want? You say here you wanted a tarball of EOL text, which was indeed not available a few months ago, but I have a prototype now which you can try out. I will email it to you shortly.

    about 1 year ago

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    Barb Banbury commented on Barb Banbury's newsfeed:

    Thanks for the replies. It was my understanding that the EOL taxon ID (not the page number) was a unique taxon identifier. Is this not correct? If it is correct, then I don't quite understand why I can't use this information when searching for a taxon. I realize that the page numbers change, ut do the EOL taxon IDs changeas well? As a Rubenstein Fellow, part of my project entails gathering data off all of the EOL pages. When my project began I asked for a tarball of all the EOL subchapters, but this was unavailable. So, I began downloading all of EOL the long way. I would like to have all of the subchapters accounted for, which is why I am asking.

    about 1 year ago

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    Patrick Leary commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Barb Banbury: Hi Barb. The highest published page ID (today) is http://eol.org/pages/36680799/overview . I'm curious though how you intend to use this. As Nathan point out IDs are not meant to be used directly, and there are a tremendous number of redirect pages (most of which are never actually published before they are turned into redirects). Nathan suggested an API to return random pages which seems like a reasonable API method. But I'm not sure how reasonable an API to return the highest ID would be since it seems completely arbitrary. Perhaps you have some end goal which might be better approached with a different set of API methods that aren't so dependent on arbitrary page IDs?

    about 1 year ago

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    Nathan Wilson commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    To be clear, there are expected to be a lot of redirects and there are some missing pages (mostly in the lower numbers). Currently the highest number I could find is 36680949. This means that only 1 in 27 ID numbers are not redirects or missing pages. My understanding is that this is because the data harvesting process creates a page whenever it sees a name that is in anyway different from anything it has seen in the past. There is then a process that figures out whether new names are most likely the same as some existing page. If it is then, it is turned into a redirect. However, the original number is maintained since there may have been an error in that process. In general it is not a great idea to deal directly with the ID numbers. However, there are circumstances where you pretty much have to. It would be helpful to know why you need the largest page number. For example, I needed it at one point since I wanted to create a list of truly random pages so I could test somethings about EOL. It would have served my purpose better if there was an API call to ask for a random set of pages.

    about 1 year ago

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    Barb Banbury commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Cyndy Parr: Thanks Cyndi, I will add it to the API suggestion page. I could use the largest page that doesn't redirect, but I could also just use the largest EOL taxon ID (which might save me searching by being able to ignore the page numbers and all the redirections). Either way, I just want to make sure that I have full taxonomic coverage for all the EOL pages.

    about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Barb Banbury: I guess the question is what is the largest page number that doesn't redirect to a valid taxon concept page? Might be a good suggestion to add to the API Improvement thread here: http://eol.org/forums/2 .

    about 1 year ago

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    Barb Banbury commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    Is there any way to determine the largest eol ID number? For example, if I go to http://eol.org/pages/6000000/overview it takes me back to eol id 1086495. There seem to be a lot of duplicates and missing pages.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into it further, and hopefully the results will be worth it.

    about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Roderic Page: People would be pretty good at the coarse matching (shrimp-like, bird, mold, flower) so I'm not sure it is helpful to have computer vision do that part. Definitely an area for research.

    about 1 year ago

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    Roderic Page commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    If EOL already has the image then it should be straightforward to create a service to locate it (just match a hash of the image file). Google Images supports searching for images (go to http://www.google.co.uk/imghp and click on the camera icon in the search box). I've searched for EOL images and Google finds them (for example, chose an image from EOL, download it to your computer, then upload it to Google images and search for it). This answers the question "is this particular image in EOL?"). This question is obviously limited as it requires EOL to already have the image, but you could imagine that as more and more images end up in EOL (e.g., via Flicker and iNaturalist, and other contributors) the chances that an image you find on the web already exists in EOL will start to rise.

    The problem of finding an image "like" one you have is harder. Google supports this query as well, but seems to rely on matching images with similar distribution of colours, and so doesn't work terribly well. There are some useful posts on Stackoverflow about the general problem, e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/843972/image-comparison-fast-algorithm and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/75891/algorithm-for-finding-similar-images.

    It strikes me that another way to tackle this question is to ask it in an other way, namely "what images would an organism generate if photographed?" For example, take a 3D model of an animal (the BBC has some which could be used as starting points), generate 2D photos of different aspects, then use something like template matching to try and classify images. Even a coarse classification (this matches a shrimp) might be a start.

    about 1 year ago • edited: about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: Ah, we once had a Google Summer of Code student working on a way to do image finding using an image and it is a VERY VERY hard problem. LeafSnap.com is an app that does this for North American tree leaves; it is pretty specialized.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    Their wouldn't be any other data being sent, it would be based on I don't know what I'm looking at so find it for me approach. I thought it would be a long shot, but thought I'd ask.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    EOL doesn't have any image matching algorithm, if that is what you are after. Can you say more about data that might go with the image? Do you have any source or taxonomic information?

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jeff Holmes: yes by starting with a photo taken and trying to find that match on EOL, and in turn using that to find the species name for example. For the confusion, as I am also trying to still work out the kinks on what I'm hoping to accomplish.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: I'm still confused if you are starting with a photo from somewhere else and are trying to find a match on EOL or if you are trying to find a photo based on a species name or something more like that...

    about 1 year ago

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    Nathan Wilson commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    How is the image getting into EOL or how are are you finding the image in question?

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    This is where, I guess you could say I am having writers block. Or up for suggestions on trying to get the EOL API to be used in a way that I am hoping. I would want to match the photo, with my own identifier (or even image upload) that would match that paticular photo or return similiar options. I am hoping to learn more about your API on hopes of using it in java, for app cability. I am starting to look into this as a hobby, outside of my tech life, and any help/suggestions would be highly welcomed. Thanks.

    about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: I was sloppy, what I really meant was, how would you want to match the picture. Using your own identifier? Your own image URL? Either could be consistent with the approach that Nathan is talking about.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: I'm interested in this topic as well. Can you say a little more about what you mean by matching? What data are you starting with?

    about 1 year ago