Constantine Wing Heng Lau

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: We don't have a policy on the choice of common names, and it will be difficult to develop objective criteria for something that's so subjective in many cases. So it's up to individual curators to make these decisions. Don't hesitate to change the preferred name if you think you can do better. If the curator who made the original decision feels strongly about their choice, they can always come back and revert. We've got quite a few people here who care about common names, and they are pretty important for making our content more accessible. So if anybody can think of criteria that should be included in the curation standards, please let us know.

    5 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: One could equally argue for 'Whales, dolphins and porpoises' (since porpoises are in Cetacea, and not usually called dolphins) - there may be others, where would one end? But agreed, it's a tricky one to decide.

    5 months ago

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    петя спасова commented on "EOL Curators":

    wow i hav seen much of this yan thanks for pointing.,

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    Idly looking at vernacular names on EoL. I see Cetacea has a VN of "Cetaceans", which I suspect is only meaningful to biologists. I'd tend to go for "Whales & dolphins", but before I change it, is there any general guidance as to the level of familiarity that EoL aims to target? I see that @Deniz Martinez set the common name manually, which means I should be careful in this case, but I'm interested in the more general argument.

    5 months ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: I've hidden the confusing NatureServe text. Thanks for spotting the problem!

    5 months ago

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    Bob Corrigan commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: That can't be right… thanks for pointing that out, Yan. By the way, I'd like to chat with you soon about some ideas, let me know when you could be available. bcorrigan at eol dot org.

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    http://eol.org/pages/328634/overview appeared as a picture on the EoL home page just now. On the taxon page it says two things which must surely be mutually contradictory:
    IUCN threat status: Extinct (EX)
    occurs (regularly, as a native taxon) in multiple nations TRUSTED © NatureServe Source: NatureServe

    5 months ago • edited: 5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Both seem to work. For some reason I started using the colon, but https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Transclusion recommends without, so I'd leave it out. Before you go too wild, I've posted something about it on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Liné1#Transcluding_Taxonavigation_from_category_pages to see if Liné thinks it's a sensible idea.

    I've also done a few hours coding this evening so that the EoL wikimedia harvester will catch these transcluded files. It's not terribly sophisticated: it only looks for text like {{Category:xxx}} in the markup, so it won't spot it if you transclude a Taxonavigation from, say a gallery page. But given that gallery pages contain a whole load of extra text with images etc, I don't think that's a good idea anyway.

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Perhaps I exaggerate. I don't know if it is due to run this weekend anyway. But unless he applies the fix, it will do "rm -force *" in the directory from which php is being run for that session. That might not be too bad (it won't delete folders, or things in folders, only plain files in the same directory). But I don't know your setup, so I wouldn't like to take the risk...

    5 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan - thanks! Looks good; I'll use the transclusion format in the future. Can I just double-check, is it {{:Category:Xxxx xxx}} or {{Category:Xxxx xxx}} (with or without a colon), please?

    5 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: He is being paged, so hopefully we'll still have a harvesting server next week.

    5 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: oh, boy. It's after 6 pm on a Friday evening here. I suspect Patrick is at the pub by now. Is this an emergency?

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Katja - since you seem to be doing EoL stuff, could you give Patrick a nudge to merge the urgent change I've sent him to the Wikimedia Commons harvesting code, otherwise if it's due to run this weekend it could accidentally try to delete all files at the root level of the EoL harvesting server :( Oops.

    5 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: I am not aware of any special character restrictions for the ScientificName field in Darwin Core, but you could find out by running a test file through the validator: http://services.eol.org/dwc_validator/

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Another thought - if transcluding the category page works, you could also use this to place the Taxonavigation on the gallery page, so there would only ever be a single place to change if the taxonomy changes. I've done this for the Milvus milvus gallery page. Feel free to revert it if you think that's a bad idea.

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: I've just tried it with your Category:Milvus milvus example (have a look at those two pages on Commons). By surrounding the Taxonavigation in <onlyinclude> tags it seems to work without imposing extra categories on the subpage...

    5 months ago • edited: 5 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Yep, that (adding by hand) was what I was thinking. I can see the risk for getting out-of-sync, but that is also the case between categories and their galleries, and it is rare (I only occasionally find cases of it). Transcluding the data is an idea I'd not thought about, certainly worth considering though I have seen cases of it causing problems elsewhere (as currently formulated, it can over-categorise pages so they appear in multiple parent categories). I'll try it on one or two subcats and see what happens. There's been little or no discussion on Commons about it (unless I've missed seeing it of course!).

    Sorry, no idea about Darwin Core, I'm not familiar with it.

    5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Re: non-breaking spaces. Do you know if DarwinCore allows non-breaking spaces (and other unicode characters) in species and scientificNames? I'm assuming so, otherwise we wouldn't be allowed the × sign. But I also assume that there are limitations restricting the symbols to those basically from the latin character set, to disallow accents, chinese characters, etc in species names.

    5 months ago • edited: 5 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Re: harvesting from subcategories. It sounds like you think it should be done on a case-by-case basis "by hand". The obvious problem here is duplication of the taxonomic information, with the potential for main category and the child to get out-of-sync. One way round that would be to transclude the parent category in each of the children, so e.g. simply place {{:Category:Milvus_milvus}} at the top of Category:Milvus_milvus_in_flight. In this case, you might also way to surround the taxonav box with <onlyinclude> tags too.

    This would work fine on Commons, but for the EoL harvester we would need to code up something specific to look for transcluded taxonomic category names.

    How much has this been discussed on Commons?

    5 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan - yes, a non-breaking space would be a good idea. I'd prefer a normal full width space though, as I think it looks better and is less open to misinterpretation.

    5 months ago