Robert Hole, Jr

Biology is my life.

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    For things like this http://eol.org/data_objects/20084544 should we have a "data" subtype, akin to the "map" subtype for images? Should I just downrate them to 1 star?

    9 days ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Re that habitat photo - that one's tricky, as none of the listed taxa are visible in the photo. So it has to be taken on trust that they are present there, it can't be independently verified. Normally I'd give habitat photos a fairly high mark if the taxon is visible in it (more important than e.g. garden or zoo portraits, which aren't natural), but in this case, a lower rating is probably better.

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Thanks. I've put a comment about how to do it in http://eol.org/info/curate_wiki, and also in subtext in the instructions at the top of http://eol.org/collections/23389. Hopefully people will spot it there. I also have a script which I run intermittently that goes through http://eol.org/collections/23389 and identifies which are WikiCommons maps that need correct classifying, and also removes maps that are now correctly tagged. I've been responsible for reducing the size of that collection by about half, I think.

    10 days ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Awesome! Here are a couple of them in a maps tab: http://eol.org/pages/323883/maps I have to admit that I had not noticed this before. This is great progress!

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: OK, thanks. I guess there's an argument to have a different subtype for these sort of things, but that might be a pain to implement.

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: I can answer that: my code gives a wikimedia commons image file a subtype "map" if it is categorised in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Distributional_maps_of_organisms or any subcategory thereof (as established by http://tools.wmflabs.org/catscan2/catscan2.php), which currently includes 1094 categories. There might be an argument to extend this to all children of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Biogeographical_maps, which would extend it a little to 1174 categories (included e.g. Category:wine_maps_of_Loire)

    10 days ago

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    abdul qayyum commented on "EOL Curators":

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Do the Wikimedia Commons maps come in as images with subtype map? Yan should be able to answer that question.

    10 days ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: It's a habitat photo and as such extremely useful. But it's probably a good idea to give habitat photos a lower rating in general. We want them in the media collection, but we don't want them to show as exemplars.

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    What's the etiquette for things like this: http://eol.org/data_objects/8999434

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Thanks for checking. In fact, I actually meant the php code in the Wikimedia Harvester (much of which I re-wrote). It could be that the harvester caught the file when the wikimedia dump (used in the 1st pass of the harvester) had the file classified under the genetic category, but the online page (via the wiki API which is accessed in the 2nd part of the harvester) had changed to the more specific one. So Katja is right - waiting for the next harvest seems sensible.

    10 days ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Can't see anything wrong with your edit at Commons; the only thing I can think of is adding the map category has put it in a queue to reappear in the map section of Diplobatis colombiensis (though it isn't there yet) rather than in the pics section.

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Thanks Katja. If it hasn't corrected next harvest I guess I might have a look to see if it is a fault in my code (sigh...)

    10 days ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: hm, that is strange. It looks like it was unpublished as soon as it was harvested. This may be a fundamental problem in the way we handle images that have their taxon name changed at the source. I don't think it's universal though since I have seen this work fine for other resources. It may be a problem specific to the Wikimedia Commons resource. I would give it another harvest to see if it fixes itself.

    10 days ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    Just looking at wrongly tagged maps, and wondered why this image is now "unpublished" http://eol.org/data_objects/27238509, since it is still up on Wikimedia Commons (albeit with a changed species ID)

    10 days ago

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    Kristof Melotte added the Dutch common name "Brandwindefamilie" to "Loasaceae".

    12 days ago

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    Kristof Melotte added the Dutch common name "Elatinefamilie" to "Elatinaceae".

    13 days ago

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    Jeremy Rice commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Scott Ellsworth: ...What Michael said. :) (Thanks!)

    13 days ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Scott Ellsworth: Aye, copyright issues can be a complicated mess! You can remove affected photos from EoL by removing them from Flickr, or just by removing them from the EoL group (remove the tags, etc.). The other option is to ask the Museum staff for permission; they may well be happy to allow it for a non-commercial educational site like EoL, but you'd need to include a statement on the pics that permission has been obtained.

    Skeletons - hmm, never thought about them! I suspect that since they are natural items they are therefore not copyrightable (just as you can't copyright an animal at a zoo to prevent people publishing photos of it . . . though some zoos try to do so, illegally!!*). But a case could be made too that the work involved in articulating a set of bones into a specimen is copyrightable like a sculpture. I would guess it is safe though, as Wiki Commons has numerous photos of articulated skeletons, and they are pretty careful about copyright issues there.

    * I was also told some time ago by a security person at RBG Edinburgh that I wasn't allowed to publish any photos of plants I took in the gardens, only to take them for personal use. An illegal claim, and unenforceable too. Just an empty threat.

    14 days ago

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    Scott Ellsworth commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Jeremy Rice: Thanks again, Jeremy. Yes, it looks like things are up now. I knew usually it seemed like it only took about a day, so I thought maybe there was a problem. I don't know if you saw my last post but I still need some advice/guidance as to how to remove some images that are apparently derivative works of images displayed at museums.

    14 days ago