Robert Hole, Jr

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    Bob Corrigan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Roderic Page: Here are some of the use cases that are pointing to this "link object" - a news story on taxon FOO, a website with an identification resource, a project website, even (heaven help us) a link to a publication, all stuff we can't import but stuff we want to point to. The justification behind making these "objects" is that they become curate-able, rank-able, collect-able and accessible via the API. The problem here may be that the term "link object" collides with "linked open data" which is an entirely different animal.

    about 2 years ago

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    geopense commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Roderic Page: All good points, Roderic, thanks, all read and understood. It will be nice to have a choice. BTW I really agree with your Internet Archive point. That effort is really useful.

    about 2 years ago

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    Roderic Page commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Cyndy Parr: OK, now I see the context. EOL news feeds really need threads.

    about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Roderic Page: In this case, I think Bart C wanted to link to a Citizen Science project. So the link involved was not so much to data but to a set of tools and a specialized community that wouldn't make much sense to bring into EOL. Otherwise I agree with most of what you say.

    about 2 years ago

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    about 2 years ago

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    Roderic Page commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @geopense: @Bob Corrigan: Just to be contrary, "trying to drag it around" (assuming this is the same as aggregating the data in one place) is often much more powerful than simply linking. Linking assumes that the data being linked to is clean (it usually isn't), that the link has a meaningful, stable identifier (mostly it won't) and that the content being linked to won't disappear (a lot of content will).

    In my experience data is messy and needs to be cleaned, and the best way to do this is aggregate it in one place where you can compare it to other data. I spend a lot of time with taxonomic and bibliographic data, and it's messy, inaccurate, and incomplete (even from so-called "trusted" sources). Having it in one place has big payoffs in terms of being able to resolve ambiguities and clean data.

    Most resources lack stable identifiers, which means links will break. There are mechanisms to deal with this (e.g., redirection using DOIs or PURLs) but most resources haven't bought into these approaches. Hence we get link rot.

    Lastly, I suspect EOL will by default play a role similar to the Internet Archive. A lot of content from original providers may disappear at the place of origin, but be archived at EOL. This is one area we need to think like Google. They effectively have a "copy" of the web, and that gives them enormous power when they come to build algorithms to search the web.

    People are hung up on "rights". I get that, but these hang ups will get in the way of making progress. What I think people are really after is provenance and credit. Tackle those issues, and don't sacrifice the power of aggregation, otherwise EOL misses a huge opportunity to reconcile the messy data of biodiversity.

    about 2 years ago

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    geopense commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Bob Corrigan: Yes, that's the smart way to go. Leave content in its original (rights) location and just link to it instead of trying to drag it around

    about 2 years ago

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    Bart C. commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Cyndy Parr: Ok, done that (http://eol.org/pages/4051060/resources/citizen_science). But I didn't find a way to link it directly to the original page. Hopefully next time I can use the "link object". Sounds great!

    about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Bart C.: For now, you can leave most of those fields blank or set to the defaults. If you have borrowed explanatory text from the citizen science project (with their permission) ask them which license they want and put their name in the rights holder field. You can see two examples I just did last week on the Monarch page.

    about 2 years ago

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    Bob Corrigan removed "Pueraria montana (Lour.) Merr." from the collection "Help needed".

    about 2 years ago

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    Bob Corrigan added "Pueraria montana (Lour.) Merr." to the collection "Help needed".

    about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr added "Synechococcus Nageli, 1849" to the collection "Help needed".

    about 2 years ago

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    Bob Corrigan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Michael Wunderli: The harvester was halted for a major deploy last week and was reinitiated last night. We've got our eyes on it.

    about 2 years ago

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    Bob Corrigan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Bart C.: Hi Bart - we're working through the requirements for a new type of object on EOL - a "link object" - that would be for exactly the sort of thing you want to do. No license or rights holder required for links - just a link, a title and perhaps a short description, a category (for where EOL puts it), and voila, there you go. Stay tuned.

    about 2 years ago

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    Bob Corrigan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Cyndy Parr: I'm happy with diversity, but the page didn't look especially rich, that's all.

    about 2 years ago

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    Marie Studer commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Bart C.: Hi Bart! Where do you want to add the citizen science link? Do you want to add it to a particular Collection? Happy to help.

    about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Bob Corrigan: Looks like I added, probably in an attempt to show some plant diversity. Or maybe by accident. We can remove it!

    about 2 years ago

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    Bart C. commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    I am seeing some exciting changes/improvements happening again! I tried to add a sitizen science link (http://www.hertsmiddx-butterflies.org.uk/w-album/index.php), but the whole form is a bit challenging for me. What do I have to populate in the boxes for license, rights hodler, rights statement for this case?

    about 2 years ago

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    Leo Shapiro removed "Lagenaria siceraria (Molina) Standl." from the collection "RedHotList Pending".

    about 2 years ago

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    Jennifer Hammock commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Michael Wunderli: Sorry for the continued delay, Michael! This harvest is taking an unusually long time; we're looking into it.

    about 2 years ago