Jennifer Smith

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks for explaining that the rotation is saved in the EXIF metadata. As Katja says, we'll put in the request. I'm a bit more hopeful -- this doesn't seem like it would be too hard to address.

    about 1 year ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Katja Schulz: Yes, of course. I can see this is quite low priority. Lots of other important stuff to do. Good luck!

    about 1 year ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll add it to our list of feature request, but I wouldn't hold out much hope for this to get addressed anytime soon. There are too many more urgent requests in the pipeline.

    about 1 year ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Katja Schulz: Thanks. I've just checked and the original images were rotated correctly, but the rotation was done by setting the EXIF rotation metadata (see e.g. http://www.daveperrett.com/articles/2012/07/28/exif-orientation-handling-is-a-ghetto/). This metadata seems to be stripped out by EoL, not by Flickr. You can check because the original image on Flickr contains the correct rotation information (download if from http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3757/8812291168_ce56ecf228_o.jpg and have a look). I can re-upload my images on Flickr so that they are rotated without using the EXIF rotation hints, but I guess other people might get bitten by this too, as many cameras seem to use this way of rotating pictures. Maybe it should be on the (long) to-do list to get the image import routines in EoL to save a fully rotated image (as specified in the metadata) as the local EoL copy?

    about 1 year ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Yan Wong: The original images you uploaded were probably incorrectly rotated, and they got auto-rotated by Flickr. However, we download the originals from Flickr, so we get the incorrectly rotated ones. Unfortunately we don't have a solution for this problem right now, so we have to ask our contributors to upload correctly rotated images to Flickr.

    about 1 year ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    I've just tried posting some old pictures of mine to the EoL Flickr group. On Flickr the images appear in the correct orientation, but on EoL the imported images are sometimes rotated incorrectly. See for instance http://www.flickr.com/photos/96340474@N07/8812291168/ and its imported version http://eol.org/data_objects/24774483 I guess this should be a relatively simple bug to iron out. My suspicion is that it to do with the way image rotation is stored in jpegs by Mac OS X preview, but it could be a flickr auto-rotation thing.

    about 1 year ago

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    Tsu Soo Tan joined the community "EOL Photographers".

    about 1 year ago

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    Mike Jewell joined the community "EOL Photographers".

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into it further, and hopefully the results will be worth it.

    about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Roderic Page: People would be pretty good at the coarse matching (shrimp-like, bird, mold, flower) so I'm not sure it is helpful to have computer vision do that part. Definitely an area for research.

    about 1 year ago

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    Roderic Page commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    If EOL already has the image then it should be straightforward to create a service to locate it (just match a hash of the image file). Google Images supports searching for images (go to http://www.google.co.uk/imghp and click on the camera icon in the search box). I've searched for EOL images and Google finds them (for example, chose an image from EOL, download it to your computer, then upload it to Google images and search for it). This answers the question "is this particular image in EOL?"). This question is obviously limited as it requires EOL to already have the image, but you could imagine that as more and more images end up in EOL (e.g., via Flicker and iNaturalist, and other contributors) the chances that an image you find on the web already exists in EOL will start to rise.

    The problem of finding an image "like" one you have is harder. Google supports this query as well, but seems to rely on matching images with similar distribution of colours, and so doesn't work terribly well. There are some useful posts on Stackoverflow about the general problem, e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/843972/image-comparison-fast-algorithm and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/75891/algorithm-for-finding-similar-images.

    It strikes me that another way to tackle this question is to ask it in an other way, namely "what images would an organism generate if photographed?" For example, take a 3D model of an animal (the BBC has some which could be used as starting points), generate 2D photos of different aspects, then use something like template matching to try and classify images. Even a coarse classification (this matches a shrimp) might be a start.

    about 1 year ago • edited: about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: Ah, we once had a Google Summer of Code student working on a way to do image finding using an image and it is a VERY VERY hard problem. LeafSnap.com is an app that does this for North American tree leaves; it is pretty specialized.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    Their wouldn't be any other data being sent, it would be based on I don't know what I'm looking at so find it for me approach. I thought it would be a long shot, but thought I'd ask.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    EOL doesn't have any image matching algorithm, if that is what you are after. Can you say more about data that might go with the image? Do you have any source or taxonomic information?

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jeff Holmes: yes by starting with a photo taken and trying to find that match on EOL, and in turn using that to find the species name for example. For the confusion, as I am also trying to still work out the kinks on what I'm hoping to accomplish.

    about 1 year ago

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    Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: I'm still confused if you are starting with a photo from somewhere else and are trying to find a match on EOL or if you are trying to find a photo based on a species name or something more like that...

    about 1 year ago

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    Nathan Wilson commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    How is the image getting into EOL or how are are you finding the image in question?

    about 1 year ago

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    Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    This is where, I guess you could say I am having writers block. Or up for suggestions on trying to get the EOL API to be used in a way that I am hoping. I would want to match the photo, with my own identifier (or even image upload) that would match that paticular photo or return similiar options. I am hoping to learn more about your API on hopes of using it in java, for app cability. I am starting to look into this as a hobby, outside of my tech life, and any help/suggestions would be highly welcomed. Thanks.

    about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    @Yan Wong: We reharvest from Wikimedia Commons about once a week, so the change should eventually propagate to us. If it doesn't, let us know.

    about 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":

    @Jonathan Ray: I was sloppy, what I really meant was, how would you want to match the picture. Using your own identifier? Your own image URL? Either could be consistent with the approach that Nathan is talking about.

    about 1 year ago