David Remsen

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    Leo Shapiro commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Cyndy Parr: Cyndy, I suppose we could ask Patrick to pull in these names from the Wikipedia list (or other sources) in a more automated fashion, but I am thinking we may be better off having this first pass being made by an intelligent actual human being (rather than computer code), such as Tanya (if she's willing to keep going through Z!) since she's actually annotating where appropriate. But if you think this is something we could be working with Patrick to do, that could save Tanya a whole lot of trouble! Also, not that this is supposed to be a list of homonyms ON EOL. If we just pull in homonyms from a bunch of sources, we may be pulling in names that are NOT in EOL. This has value if it points out omissions or confusions in our names infrastructure, in which case they should SOON be on EOL if we address the problem, but some of theses names might not be on EOL for a reason, in which case they are anot and will not be on EOL--and hence should not be in this collection. I'm just thinking out loud...

    about 2 years ago

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    Leo Shapiro commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    Hi Tanya, Yes that definitely makes sense and I think this is a great service you're providing by assimilating this list! In fact, those instances where we are missing apparently valid names highlight names we should possibly be adding--or, as in the case of Antillea for which (as you note) we have the name in classifications for both a coral and a plant but have just a single page--which should be split into two pages. I am thinking that the EOL bioinformatics guy who is in charge of our names infrastructure ought to be able (perhaps once that Wikipedia list has been entirely assimilated...) to pull out a list of these "singleton" names from Homonyms on EOL to look for possible problems with the "taxon concepts" in our system.

    about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Jennifer Hammock: We should be having this conversation in the Homonym Hunters community.

    about 2 years ago

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    Jennifer Hammock commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    Wow, look at this place! Logging links to good sources is a great idea; I'll bet there are more besides wikipedia, too. Maybe we could put a note about this in the Description? That way other people could pitch in if Tanya doesn't want to do the whole alphabet herself :)

    about 2 years ago

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    Tanya Higgins commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Cyndy Parr: Sorry about that, it didn't even occur to me to give a link!

    about 2 years ago

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    Tanya Higgins commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Leo Shapiro: Cyndy's right - I am working off a list, seemed like the best way to dig them out: (http://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_valid_homonyms) The additions that are singletons are homonyms in which only one genus seems to be represented with a page on EOL, but the represented genus has information that belongs to the unrepresented genus. Does that make sense?

    about 2 years ago • edited: about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Leo Shapiro: I bet Tanya is working from a list and it would be great to include a link to it.

    about 2 years ago

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    Leo Shapiro commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Tanya Higgins: Hi Tanya, 1) Looks like you're taking some very systematic approach to searching for homonyms involving the alphabet--I'm curious what you're doing. 2) Some of your additions are singletons. It's important to add the other pages with the same name on them--am I missing something? Perhaps you are just adding second or third pages for names where others have added one but not all the relevant names?

    about 2 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr added "Jennifer Hammock" as a manager of the community "Homonym Hunters".

    about 2 years ago

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    about 2 years ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Homonym Hunters":

    @Tanya Higgins: Yes, this collection is for all homonyms, even those that don't cause any trouble at the moment. There's a good chance that they will some time down the line.

    about 2 years ago

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    Tanya Higgins commented on "Homonym Hunters":

    Just so I'm clear, should all identified homonyms be added to the collection? I've noticed a couple homonyms with blank pages. (Acanthocarpus the crab vs. the plant, for example)

    about 2 years ago

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    Katja Schulz added "Cyndy Parr" as a manager of the community "Homonym Hunters".

    about 2 years ago

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    about 2 years ago

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    Katja Schulz added "Tanya Higgins" as a manager of the community "Homonym Hunters".

    about 2 years ago

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    about 2 years ago

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    Roderic Page commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Katja Schulz: You're welcome. My dream is that all this "tracking down" will become trivial once we start embedding the primary literature into taxonomic databases...

    about 2 years ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Roderic Page: Thanks for tracking this down. It looks like our WoRMS hierarchy data are out of date. I put in a request to get it fixed.

    about 2 years ago

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    Roderic Page commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Katja Schulz: OK, I missed that because there doesn't seem to be a page for the foram genus Ceratina (there is one for the foram species Ceratina trochamminoides).

    Interestingly the foram genus Ceratina appears in the WoRMS classification in EOL, but the current WoRMS classification uses the replacement name Zoyaella published in "Six new generic names in the Mycetozoida (Trichiidae) and Foraminiferida (Fischerinidae, Butiminidae, Caucasinidae, and Pleurostomellidae), and a redescription of Loxostomum (Loxostomidae, new family)" Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, 75: 107--113 (1962) http://biostor.org/reference/82624. The name Zoyaella has its own page in EOL http://eol.org/pages/2953944 (mispelt as Zoiaella), so there's some internal inconsistency in EOL's version of the WoRMS classification (i.e., the foram genus Ceratina and species Ceratina trochamminoides shouldn't appear in the WoRMS classification in EOL, nor should the name Zoiaella).

    about 2 years ago • edited: about 2 years ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Homonyms on EOL":

    @Roderic Page: Ceratina is also a genus in Foraminifera, see the hierarchy entry page here. This page mixes the bee with the foram.

    about 2 years ago • edited: about 2 years ago