Matthew Murphy

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Cultivars are not varieties. They are governed by a different part of the botanical code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Nomenclature_for_Cultivated_Plants The EOL names infrastructure currently does not handle cultivars particularly well. In most cases, names of cultivars get merged into genus pages, probably because the upper case cultivar name is interpreted as author information. e.g. see Begonia "Non Stop" or Begonia Cultivars Semperflorens-Cultorum-Grp. here: http://eol.org/pages/38025/names?all=1 On the bright side, it looks like quotes & multiples don't break anything.

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: I'm just looking into the variety thing. How would EoL like to cope with the scientific name for something like this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Begonia_%27Sophie_Cécile%27 It seems to have a "variety name" but no specific epithet. Should there be a "var." in there somewhere too? Do we allow quotes & multiple, possibly accented names in the variety part? Or should we simply ignore things like this?

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: How are these distinguished in wikimedia Taxonavigation boxes? Do people put Subspecies | salzmannii, Variatas | mongolica, etc. or do they list the whole thing out, as
    Subspecies | Pinus nigra salzmannii
    Variatas | Pinus sylvestris mongolica
    I'm assuming that they don't physically insert the "subs." text themselves, but the template does it for them? Also, can you have both a subspecies and a variety? If so, in the Taxonav box do you put Subspecies | Pinus nigra salzmannii, Variatas | Pinus nigra salzmannii albus? And then how do we cope if we get something like this within a single Taxonav box?
    Subspecies | salzmannii
    Variatas | Pinus nigra albus
    I.e. do we have to insert the salzmannii between the nigra and the albus in this case?

    3 months ago • edited: 3 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks! Unfortunately I don't understand all the computer coding (not my thing, I fear), but if it works, good. The difference between zoology and botany is that zoology only has one infraspecific rank (subspecies), so a subspecific name doesn't need any clarification other than having three names; thus e.g. Dendrocopos major pinetorum. Conversely, in botany, there are three infraspecific ranks, in order of decreasing distinction: subspecies (subsp.; for major differences in a species), varietas (var.; for medium differences), forma (f.; very small differences); of these the first two are widely used, forma rather less so. Because of the different ranks, it is essential to state which rank is being used, thus e.g. Pinus nigra subsp. salzmannii; Pinus sylvestris var. mongolica; Abies veitchii f. chlorocarpa. For definitions of the ranks, see e.g. definitions in Table 12.1 in Stuessy (2009), Principles of Plant Taxonomy (p. 158, available on google books).

    3 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: I had a bit of time before bed last night, and think I've managed to sort out some code for subspecies (not done anything for varieties).

    Let me ask you if I've taken a sensible approach. I take the wiki groups and map them to EoL groups, down to genus level, trimming the word "fossil" from start of the name if necessary. For genus names, I trim the name to the first word (to catch e.g. "Genus = Rosa spp"). For higher levels, I ignore anything with spaces in the name (I can't think of any cases where names above the species level consist of multiple words, apart from class="xxx Proteobacteria", for which there's a specific exception coded. I might be missing some viral stuff by doing this, I guess).
    For species and (now) subspecies, I check if the name consists of multiple words the first of which starts with a capital letter. If so, I take the first word as a genus name, if no genus has already been set. Otherwise, if the name is a single word, I take this as an epithet, and prepend the genus name (for a species) or the species name (for a subspecies).
    Finally, the EoL "scientificName" is chosen as the lowest level for which we have a name (i.e. choose subsp if it exists, otherwise sp, otherwise genus, etc), with the authority (if it exists) appended at the end of the entire name.

    Will this procedure cope with formatting differences between botany and zoology? I'm unclear how to deal with varieties in this scheme: any ideas?

    3 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks! I fear the github code means nothing to me :-( but if it can be adapted to add subspecies (used in both botany and zoology, but formatted differently in the two groups) and varietas (used in botany only), that would be a great help. Hybrids are less important, and I'd not bother to add cultivars (very few have commons pages with taxonav., and they are also of very minor significance for EoL).

    3 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Oh, and I see from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxonavigation that there are a number of other subspecific terms that might be used (Hybrid, Cultivar, Varietas, etc), so I think it might turn out to be a bit complicated. Nowhere does it explicitly mention Subspecies as a potential parameter, although it does implicitly when talking about "intermediate ranks". I suspect that the previous version of the harvester may have missed out subspecies too.

    3 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: At the moment the harvester does the following mapping from wiki names to EoL names "Species" => "species", "Genus" => "genus", "Familia" => "family", "Ordo" => "order", "Classis" => "class", "Phylum" => "phylum", "Regnum" => "kingdom" It then constructs the EoL "scientific name" using the most precisely defined of these terms, with some messing around to get the genus + epithet + authority (if present). Conspicuously absent is anything to do with subspecies.

    The code is at https://github.com/EOL/eol_php_code/blob/master/vendor/wikipedia/WikimediaPage.php#L1002 if you want to take a look!

    3 months ago • edited: 3 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    Odd, as the taxonavigation is correctly formatted in both the category and gallery. Perhaps something else on the pages is blocking the harvest? Maybe Yan can sort it?

    3 months ago

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    Alan Cassidy commented on "EOL Curators":

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Hm, for some odd reason, we are not getting a Wikimedia Commons hierarchy for the subspecies. The content of the WC Felis silvestris catus gallery gets imported to the EOL Felis silvestris media collection. That's why you see the domestic cat images there, but there is no hierarchy entry representing Felis silvestris catus: http://eol.org/pages/1037781/names?all Yan Wong was involved in developing our new Wikimedia Commons connector. I wonder if he understands what's going on here?

    3 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    Just checked up, Wiki Commons does, treating it as Felis silvestris catus. I'm not sure that's taxonomically valid (as domesticated cats aren't a seperate genetic group from other Felis silvestris subspp), but it is nomenclaturally valid.

    3 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: I see your point Michael, but I hesitate to pile all the domestic cat content onto the Felis silvestris page. The focus of the page should be on the wildcats as a whole. Some consideration should certainly be given to the different lineages, but detailed information on individual subspecies should be on separate pages. I'm surprised that not a single one of our classification providers treats the domestic cat as a child taxon of Felis silvestris. It seems that would be the best representation, but we cannot select it, because we don't have it. It's interesting to see that Wikipedia has Felis silvestris catus as a synonym of Felis catus. I wish somebody would change that. Hint, hint.

    3 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    Why are there two separate pages for Felis silvestris and Felis catus? The two names refer to the same species; if I recall the ICZN correctly, names based on domesticated type specimens, even if older, are treated as synonyms of names based on type specimens of the same taxon of natural wild origin. On this basis, Felis catus should be merged into Felis silvestris. I see the Felis silvestris page already has a few domesticated cats in its images section.

    3 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Nathan Wilson: Agreed that ecological damage is conspicuously missing from WP, and should be present on EoL. Refs would be good.

    3 months ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Curators":

    None of these objects has anything other than a default 2.5 star rating. Really? I hid the Ecomare object. I welcome any brief summary that covers both the good and the bad -- and is well written and well referenced.

    3 months ago • edited: 3 months ago

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    Nathan Wilson commented on "EOL Curators":

    The Wikipedia article and the Smithsonian article are very different. In my view they both communicate important information, but the WP article is the more biased one. Cats are both "valued by humans" and "among the most ecologically damaging introduced animals worldwide". This later point is completely missing from the WP article, but the value. The ideal article in my view would start with the SI article and add some of the human value stuff from WP.

    3 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Cyndy Parr: For very popular and emotive topics such as this, the wikipedia summary is normally a very good text source for a neutral point of view. It's only for less visited pages where wikipedia can be (highly) biased.

    3 months ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Curators":

    We have gotten a tweet suggesting that our domestic cat page is biased. What do you think? Please feel free to rate, curate, and comment http://eol.org/pages/1037781/overview

    3 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @петя спасова: We don't create pages for new taxa directly on EOL. The new name would have to come in from one of our content partners. The easiest way to do it independently, is to create a page for the taxon on Wikipedia. If you do this, make sure the page has a properly formatted Taxobox, so it will get included in our Wikipedia harvest. Alternatively, I can also create the page for you through our Rapid Response LifeDesk. To do this, I would need the taxon name and a reference for the name. This could be the reference for the original description or any other scientific paper that provides information about the taxon.

    3 months ago