John P. Sullivan

ichthyologist

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    Claudia Sotgia commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Constantine Wing Heng Lau: After a quick look, if I understand correctly, you're right. The maps should represent the natural range of a species; the presence in a zoo cannot be considered as a population. I am a new curator and I still haven't seen as make changes, but I suggest leavingg only the distribution map. I hope I have been helpful. Also I would like to tell you that I'd like to contact you because my working group is writing a manual of good practices on bees. I am writing on pollination service and on the problems of habitat loss, fragmentation etc. Can you give me some advice? Ciao, Claudia

    over 1 year ago

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    Constantine Wing Heng Lau commented on "EOL Curators":

    I just took a random look on the page for Tasmanian Devil (Sarcophilus harrisii), and found an issue. As I understood this species should live on one or more islands next to Australia. However, the one of the 2 maps on its page showed that it appeared in the USA. Turns out, I checked the original source of the data point at USA, and found that it was a collection of the Ft. Wayne Children's Zoo in Indiana, US. (http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20m?act=make_map&kind=Sarcophilus+harrisii) In this case, the map seems misleading to the public because it was neither showing the natural occurance or all of the zoo records. Any suggestion?

    over 1 year ago

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    Jennifer Hammock commented on "Rubenstein Fellows":

    Ecological synthesis, anyone? The National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis (NCEAS) is pleased to invite applications from early-career researchers for a 3-week intensive workshop in ecological analysis and synthesis, to take place at NCEAS in Santa Barbara CA June 19-July 10, 2013. All travel and living expenses of participants will be covered during the workshop, thanks to generous support from the Packard Foundation. Applications are due March 1. For more information and application instructions, go to: http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/news/nceas-summer-institute-2013

    over 1 year ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Arthur Chapman: I'd disagree strongly on the Livistona nitida example; in English, hyphens are not followed by capital letters. So "Carnavon Gorge Cabbage Palm" or "Carnavon Gorge Cabbage-palm", but not "Carnavon Gorge Cabbage-Palm", which looks plain ghastly. This follows standard usage everywhere except among US ornithologists heavily influenced by the ideas of one or two ivory tower scientists who know much about birds, but nothing about English grammar. This idea has been rejected by ornithologists everywhere else; see e.g. the introduction in Vol. 1 of Handbook of the Birds of the World.

    over 1 year ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Excellent, thanks!

    over 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Thomas Wesener: Perhaps museum specimen data is particularly problematic in Diplopoda. While other groups also have issues (note the warnings we have posted) outliers are usually easy to spot especially if someone with better maps have been kind enough to share them. We're in the process of updating from GBIF and as they've been working on automated data cleaning maybe things will get better. In any case, we are planning improvements in our maps area over the next year. Sometimes a captive zoo individual has died; it would be nice if we could show these as a different color or not show them at all. While it is time consuming to track down the source of geospatial errors they often persist unless the source knows about and can fix them. If you leave a comment on the overview tab for that EOL page explaining the problem, others will know what can't be trusted in the meantime.

    over 1 year ago

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    Arthur Chapman commented on "EOL Curators":

    I think we need to keep in mind why we want to include common names. For my mind it is so they can be searched for, and often common names are regional - even within one country, so we should list as many as possible so they can be searched. I like Michael's original idea of having some structure to how they are written. The bird people do this well and I have tried to bring this into the way I do plants (and insects) etc. For example Livistona nitida - "Carnavon Gorge Cabbage-Palm" Palms are a well-known group and thus get a Capital 'P' . There are then groups of palms of which "Cabbage-Palms" are one so they get a capital and a hyphen and then within those you have the "Australian Cabbage-Palm", "Carnarvon Gorge Cabbage-Palm", etc. Another group of plants are known as "Beauty-heads" It would have the capital 'B' and a lower-case 'h' as the "Heads" are not a group on the own. I am in favour of the judicial use of capitals in the names as above. I don't think we should force definitive lists of common names - it defeats the purpose, although lists of common names are good and encourage (rather then force) their use. I like the Atlas of Living Australia's treatment of common names - where full lists are given, and you can "vote" as to what you think is the most appropriate/common, etc. and that moves it up in the order in which they are displayed.

    over 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Curators":

    A reminder to all curators -- if you don't like the classification you see on a page, check the Names tab to see if there's a better one available and set it as preferred. If you know a better classification that is online somewhere else, please let us know where so we can try to harvest it or recommend it to our classification providers. Thanks.

    over 1 year ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Thomas Wesener: Thanks, we need to sort this out with admin tools. I'll get the process started, but it may take a couple of days for the process to finish.

    over 1 year ago

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    Thomas Wesener commented on "EOL Curators":

    GBIF-Maps While nice, they often display as the locality the Museum where the specimen is stored, not where it actually lives. Tropical taxa suddenly appear in London, Berlin and Paris... I actually did not see a single GBIF map (at least in class Diplopoda) that showed the correct distribution of a taxon. Could they be removed from EOL as a bulk?

    over 1 year ago

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    Thomas Wesener commented on "EOL Curators":

    Hello, I have some problems on the Haplophyllum page. They are plants but listed as millipedes (Diplopoda), because the name is used in both. There are tons pf pictures, could someone repair this. I tried with untrusting and comments, but the images still appear as 'trusted' under millipedes.

    over 1 year ago

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    Arthur Bogan commented on "EOL Curators":

    there is a recent book on local classifications entitled Every Living Thing, by Rob Dunn, NCSU that touches on this topic as well.

    over 1 year ago

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    Patrick Kelley commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Cyndy Parr: @Cyndy Parr. After speaking with other folks yesterday, I'm now looking into following up on this. So, thanks for pointing out the authors in the folk biology literature. I think a global mapping project would be both interesting and useful to biologists. I've contacted folks at the Google research group to see if this would be interesting to them (unless one of you has another suggestion??!?).

    over 1 year ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Quentin Groom: Thanks, we'll get them uploaded as soon as possible, with BSBI as the supplier.

    over 1 year ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Patrick Kelley: Patrick, that sounds like a fascinating project. There is also a fairly deep literature on "folk biology." If someone is interested in following up I recommend the works of Scott Atran and Douglas Medin. If I recall, they found that genus level categorizations (and hence, names) were more prevalent in languages because congeners were unlikely to be sympatric.

    over 1 year ago

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    Quentin Groom commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Quentin Groom: Yes, the BSBI is fine with you using these names.

    over 1 year ago

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    Quentin Groom commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: I've contacted someone in the BSBI who will be able to give us a quick answer.

    over 1 year ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Thanks, Michael. We can get these names uploaded. Should we contact someone at BSBI to make sure they don't have a problem with us using their list and attributing it to them?

    over 1 year ago

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    tony rebelo commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Arthur Bogan: Iso standards have been provided for languages, which is great. But we have not discussed how to deal with "recommended" names - the issue is that (some) different countries have their own official lists. There are two options here: (1) acknowledge that different countries have different official common names - in which case we need the iso standards for countries; (2) follow the bird route and compile an international official list, which has the simplicity of a single "official' name, but results in local names being lost, the tyranny of the first, biggest, richest and most organized bodies dictating to other organizations/countries what names will be used (and the format, styles and lexicography). The issue is slightly more complicated as there may be even be state/province/county official lists and even local lists with political sensitivities. And how should we code "synonyms" (alternative names in use not on the official lists), and old names (synonyms no longer in use, past names). Ideally, if we want to attempt something like a phylogenetic and geographical analysis of common names, it would also be nice to have an idea of how widespread they are used: a single author's name or widely used all over: No doubt google would be a great tool for this for current names but historical names might be a little more difficult.

    over 1 year ago