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Jakob Fahr joined the community "iNaturalist on EOL".
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Yan Wong joined the community "iNaturalist on EOL".
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Yan Wong commented on "iNaturalist on EOL":
Hi. I have loaded a set of photos onto Flickr and added them to the EoL Flickr group. But I've also imported them into iNaturalist. I assume the EoL software is sensible enough not to import two copies? How are conflicts resolved, e.g. if the pictures are set to "research grade" on iNaturalist, will this lead to them being listed as trusted in EoL, even though an identical picture comes from the "untrusted" Flickr source?
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Katja Schulz added "Eupteryx atropunctata (Goeze, 1778)" to the collection "Taxon Concept Management Tasks Completed".
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Katja Schulz added "Cicada nigropunctata Goeze, 1778" to the collection "Taxon Concept Management Tasks Completed".
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Tracy Barbaro changed the description of the community "iNaturalist on EOL".
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Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into it further, and hopefully the results will be worth it.
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Nathan Wilson commented on "Cape Cod Native Garden Plants":
@Bob Corrigan: Added you as a manager. Knock yourself out. I'm focused on a talk I'm giving tonight for which improvements to this list would be a benefit. The list I've started with is http://www.capecodcommission.org/resources/design/nativeplantlist.pdf
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Nathan Wilson commented on "Cape Cod Native Garden Plants":
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Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
@Roderic Page: People would be pretty good at the coarse matching (shrimp-like, bird, mold, flower) so I'm not sure it is helpful to have computer vision do that part. Definitely an area for research.
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Roderic Page commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
If EOL already has the image then it should be straightforward to create a service to locate it (just match a hash of the image file). Google Images supports searching for images (go to http://www.google.co.uk/imghp and click on the camera icon in the search box). I've searched for EOL images and Google finds them (for example, chose an image from EOL, download it to your computer, then upload it to Google images and search for it). This answers the question "is this particular image in EOL?"). This question is obviously limited as it requires EOL to already have the image, but you could imagine that as more and more images end up in EOL (e.g., via Flicker and iNaturalist, and other contributors) the chances that an image you find on the web already exists in EOL will start to rise.
The problem of finding an image "like" one you have is harder. Google supports this query as well, but seems to rely on matching images with similar distribution of colours, and so doesn't work terribly well. There are some useful posts on Stackoverflow about the general problem, e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/843972/image-comparison-fast-algorithm and http://stackoverflow.com/questions/75891/algorithm-for-finding-similar-images.
It strikes me that another way to tackle this question is to ask it in an other way, namely "what images would an organism generate if photographed?" For example, take a 3D model of an animal (the BBC has some which could be used as starting points), generate 2D photos of different aspects, then use something like template matching to try and classify images. Even a coarse classification (this matches a shrimp) might be a start. -
Bob Corrigan commented on "Cape Cod Native Garden Plants":
This collection is screaming for a nice avatar and a description.
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Cyndy Parr added "Centropyge loriculus (Günther, 1874)" to the collection "Life is Blue!".
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Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
@Jonathan Ray: Ah, we once had a Google Summer of Code student working on a way to do image finding using an image and it is a VERY VERY hard problem. LeafSnap.com is an app that does this for North American tree leaves; it is pretty specialized.
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Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
Their wouldn't be any other data being sent, it would be based on I don't know what I'm looking at so find it for me approach. I thought it would be a long shot, but thought I'd ask.
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Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
EOL doesn't have any image matching algorithm, if that is what you are after. Can you say more about data that might go with the image? Do you have any source or taxonomic information?
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Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
@Jeff Holmes: yes by starting with a photo taken and trying to find that match on EOL, and in turn using that to find the species name for example. For the confusion, as I am also trying to still work out the kinks on what I'm hoping to accomplish.
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Jeff Holmes commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
@Jonathan Ray: I'm still confused if you are starting with a photo from somewhere else and are trying to find a match on EOL or if you are trying to find a photo based on a species name or something more like that...
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Nathan Wilson commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
How is the image getting into EOL or how are are you finding the image in question?
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Jonathan Ray commented on "EOL API Discussion Group":
This is where, I guess you could say I am having writers block. Or up for suggestions on trying to get the EOL API to be used in a way that I am hoping. I would want to match the photo, with my own identifier (or even image upload) that would match that paticular photo or return similiar options. I am hoping to learn more about your API on hopes of using it in java, for app cability. I am starting to look into this as a hobby, outside of my tech life, and any help/suggestions would be highly welcomed. Thanks.
