Valter Jacinto

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Should we use some other sort of space then, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_space? Presumably there's an argument to have the space as no-breaking too: you wouldn't want the × and the following word to be on separate lines. It would be good to have some method to keep the × and the following word as essentially the "same word" when parsing the text.

    7 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan - "Since you're MPF let me say thanks for all your hard work on Commons classifications. I see you have been tasking yourself with the problem of overcategorization on Commons. I was wondering if we should also try harvesting from child categories of taxonomic entries on Commons"

    Thanks! ;-)
    Harvesting from subcategories ('child categories') is something I've actually been meaning to raise here for a while; yes, I think we should do it, but should be selective in what we do it for. The obvious solution is to add taxonav templates to the categories desired. I've already done so for a few, such as behavioural-based Milvus milvus in flight (170 pics), a species far more often seen in flight than on the ground (Milvus milvus: 16 pics), and location-based Pelecanus onocrotalus in Tanzania (adds an extra 22 pics of natural individuals). It's in my plans to step up the number of such subcategories I add taxonav boxes to. Conversely, I think we should not do it for subcategories like Category:XXX_in_zoos, Category:XXX_(captive), Category:XXX_(cultivated), and similar, as captive / cultivated specimens are (a) much more often misidentified than those in their native habitat, and (b) often atypical in morphology and / or behaviour. With many of such subcategories too, it brings us back to EoL's policy of not wanting to be swamped in photos of pets (a policy with which I agree strongly).

    Adding taxonav templates to suitable subcategories is obviously time-consuming, but is I reckon better (and faster) than selecting pics to add to galleries; and, as you suspect, there are many on Wiki Commons who favour abandoning galleries altogether.

    Hope this helps!

    7 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan - "Are we OK with removing the space between the × and the following genus or species name? I gather that's what's recommended by ICBN" - I'd say, definitely not. This is what used to be recommended by ICBN in the 1999 and earlier versions, but was probably also the most widely ignored specification in the ICBN. A while back I did a casual survey of botanical journals and textbooks, and found about 80% of sources checked did use a space after the hybrid symbol. This is now reflected in the changes in newer versions of ICBN (2005 & 2011), which now read:

    "H.3A.1. In named hybrids, the multiplication sign × belongs with the name or epithet but is not actually part of it, and its placement should reflect that relation. The exact amount of space, if any, between the multiplication sign and the initial letter of the name or epithet should depend on what best serves readability."

    A space on both sides of the hybrid symbol definitely serves readability best; if not included, consider e.g. the risk of confusion between the species Rosa xanthina, and the hypothetical hybrid "Rosa ×anthina"; spacing this as Rosa × anthina greatly reduces this risk. It is for this reason that Wiki Commons (and en:wikipedia) include a space after the hybrid symbol.

    7 months ago • edited: 7 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Are we OK with removing the space between the × and the following genus or species name? I gather that's what's recommended by ICBN. I'm not sure what the convention in animals is, though. The new code means that we get things like "Panthera tigris ×Panthera leo" for zoological names, which isn't ideal. But short of coding different procedures for viruses, bacteria, plants/fungi and animals – something I'd rather avoid – I think that might be the best we can do.

    7 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Since you're MPF let me say thanks for all your hard work on Commons classifications. I see you have been tasking yourself with the problem of overcategorization on Commons. I was wondering if we should also try harvesting from child categories of taxonomic entries on Commons, such as Category:XXX_in_zoos, but that's likely to cause problems with Taxa such as Category:Homo_sapiens. At the moment I'm assuming that any taxa rich enough to have lots of media files in sub-categories should have a decent gallery page, and EoL will be able to harvest the best images from there. If you have time, have a look at the 3rd paragraph of "Category use" on http://eol.org/info/133 and see if you think what I've written there is a sensible approach. In the back of my mind I'm worried if people start to abandon the idea of galleries on Commons.

    You (and entomological minded curators) also might be interested to know that once Liné manages to move {{Lepidoptera}} & {{Coleoptera}} to use Taxonavs (he thinks this might be in September, see https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Liné1#Lepidoptera_and_Coleoptera_templates), the EoL harvester should pick up about 16000 more taxonomic pages, and goodness knows how many more images that we're missing at the moment.

    7 months ago • edited: 7 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan - "(I see someone's changed it, are you MPF :)" - yep, that's me! I took the taxonav out of the page, as of course cultivars are not biological taxa, so shouldn't have any taxonav. I don't know how many other cultivar pages / categories will have been given taxonavs; fortunately probably not very many.

    7 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan - re "How are these distinguished in wikimedia Taxonavigation boxes? Do people put Subspecies | salzmannii, Variatas | mongolica, etc...." - sorry, missed this one! Yes, the template inserts the "subsp." and "var.". And yes, species can have both subspecies and varieties; e.g. Pinus nigra subsp. salzmannii var. corsicana for the Corsican Pine.

    7 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Yep - the problem is that the cultivar name was listed in the "Varietas" field (I see someone's changed it, are you MPF :) so unless I code up something to specifically exclude varieties with apostrophes, this will end up begin treated as a normal species name. Perhaps that's OK, though, as it won't end up mapping to any taxonomic hierarchy on EoL.

    7 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Hi Yan, That one is a cultivar; very low priority for EoL (much like we ask people not to add photos of their pets), I'd not bother with any harvesting criteria for picking them up.

    7 months ago

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    Hans-Martin Braun commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Cyndy Parr: @Cindy Parr: Obviously not. On the other hand, WoRms may undergo continuous changes which are difficult to keep up with using automatic systems.

    7 months ago

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    Cyndy Parr commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Katja Schulz: Are we not using synonymy info from WoRMS?

    7 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks Yan, that's great news. Hopefully, the hybrid names will get their own pages. We should check once the new harvesting code is implemented.

    7 months ago

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    Valter Jacinto commented on "Biology":

    "and adults fly between late July and mid-August. " That's not true! I took a photo in May...

    7 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: I've just submitted the git push request to get subspecies and varieties properly pulled off Wikimedia images (https://github.com/EOL/eol_php_code/pull/91/files). Once it's been OKed by Patrick or Dima, and the harvester run, then all should be peachy. It also includes code to get hybrids working, so we should end up pulling pictures like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orchis_x_bornemannii._Munciarrati_-_Madonie._15_Aprile_2007_(27).jpg with a scientificName of "Anacamptis ×gennarii nothosubsp. bornemanniae (Asch.) H.Kretzschmar, Eccarius & H.Dietr. (2007)". Is that OK?

    7 months ago

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    Hans-Martin Braun commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    For you to know who posted this: According to WoRMS (http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=746485) the following two species are identical: Melithea biserialis (http://eol.org/pages/39620354/names/common_names) and Acabaria m. (http://eol.org/pages/990877/names/common_names)

    7 months ago

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    Hans-Martin Braun commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    According to WoRMS (http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=746485) the following two species are identical: Melithea biserialis (http://eol.org/pages/39620354/names/common_names) and Acabaria m. (http://eol.org/pages/990877/names/common_names)

    7 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Katja Schulz: Ah, thanks. This is all rather tricky stuff to parse. Patrick hinted that if we move to DwC-A format, then we can markup the author names separately, which might help in the future. On the much brighter side, I think I have code that correctly sets the EoL scientific name for subspecies and varieties. Just testing it now, and dealing with notho-taxa, which I hadn't noticed as a problem before.

    7 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Cultivars are not varieties. They are governed by a different part of the botanical code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Nomenclature_for_Cultivated_Plants The EOL names infrastructure currently does not handle cultivars particularly well. In most cases, names of cultivars get merged into genus pages, probably because the upper case cultivar name is interpreted as author information. e.g. see Begonia "Non Stop" or Begonia Cultivars Semperflorens-Cultorum-Grp. here: http://eol.org/pages/38025/names?all=1 On the bright side, it looks like quotes & multiples don't break anything.

    7 months ago