Valter Jacinto

Nature Photographer

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks! Unfortunately I don't understand all the computer coding (not my thing, I fear), but if it works, good. The difference between zoology and botany is that zoology only has one infraspecific rank (subspecies), so a subspecific name doesn't need any clarification other than having three names; thus e.g. Dendrocopos major pinetorum. Conversely, in botany, there are three infraspecific ranks, in order of decreasing distinction: subspecies (subsp.; for major differences in a species), varietas (var.; for medium differences), forma (f.; very small differences); of these the first two are widely used, forma rather less so. Because of the different ranks, it is essential to state which rank is being used, thus e.g. Pinus nigra subsp. salzmannii; Pinus sylvestris var. mongolica; Abies veitchii f. chlorocarpa. For definitions of the ranks, see e.g. definitions in Table 12.1 in Stuessy (2009), Principles of Plant Taxonomy (p. 158, available on google books).

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Katja Schulz: Oh, and if you *really* have some free time (!), I seem to be getting identical images for Alouatta nigerrima / Alouatta belzebul, Naemorhedus caudatus / Naemorhedus griseus, and Hapalemur alaotrensis / Hapalemur griseus. I think these are all cases where the taxonomy is in a bit of flux though, so perhaps my database of separate species is wrong. Either way, they are of lower priority, I reckon.

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: I had a bit of time before bed last night, and think I've managed to sort out some code for subspecies (not done anything for varieties).

    Let me ask you if I've taken a sensible approach. I take the wiki groups and map them to EoL groups, down to genus level, trimming the word "fossil" from start of the name if necessary. For genus names, I trim the name to the first word (to catch e.g. "Genus = Rosa spp"). For higher levels, I ignore anything with spaces in the name (I can't think of any cases where names above the species level consist of multiple words, apart from class="xxx Proteobacteria", for which there's a specific exception coded. I might be missing some viral stuff by doing this, I guess).
    For species and (now) subspecies, I check if the name consists of multiple words the first of which starts with a capital letter. If so, I take the first word as a genus name, if no genus has already been set. Otherwise, if the name is a single word, I take this as an epithet, and prepend the genus name (for a species) or the species name (for a subspecies).
    Finally, the EoL "scientificName" is chosen as the lowest level for which we have a name (i.e. choose subsp if it exists, otherwise sp, otherwise genus, etc), with the authority (if it exists) appended at the end of the entire name.

    Will this procedure cope with formatting differences between botany and zoology? I'm unclear how to deal with varieties in this scheme: any ideas?

    2 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks! I fear the github code means nothing to me :-( but if it can be adapted to add subspecies (used in both botany and zoology, but formatted differently in the two groups) and varietas (used in botany only), that would be a great help. Hybrids are less important, and I'd not bother to add cultivars (very few have commons pages with taxonav., and they are also of very minor significance for EoL).

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Katja Schulz: Ah, I just remembered that I spotted another primate problem, but I asked about it on the forums rather than (where I should have done) here. It's to do with Ateles spider monkeys. I'm no expert on this, so it might take some unraveling. The details are at http://eol.org/forums/12/topics/78/posts/256 if you want to check out what is going on.

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Oh, and I see from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxonavigation that there are a number of other subspecific terms that might be used (Hybrid, Cultivar, Varietas, etc), so I think it might turn out to be a bit complicated. Nowhere does it explicitly mention Subspecies as a potential parameter, although it does implicitly when talking about "intermediate ranks". I suspect that the previous version of the harvester may have missed out subspecies too.

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: At the moment the harvester does the following mapping from wiki names to EoL names "Species" => "species", "Genus" => "genus", "Familia" => "family", "Ordo" => "order", "Classis" => "class", "Phylum" => "phylum", "Regnum" => "kingdom" It then constructs the EoL "scientific name" using the most precisely defined of these terms, with some messing around to get the genus + epithet + authority (if present). Conspicuously absent is anything to do with subspecies.

    The code is at https://github.com/EOL/eol_php_code/blob/master/vendor/wikipedia/WikimediaPage.php#L1002 if you want to take a look!

    2 months ago • edited: 2 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    Odd, as the taxonavigation is correctly formatted in both the category and gallery. Perhaps something else on the pages is blocking the harvest? Maybe Yan can sort it?

    2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Yan Wong: Yeah, Patrick definitely doesn't have time for this right now. It would be great to get this fixed eventually. For the time being, we can fix things manually for high profile taxa where we have the hierarchy entry for the subspecies. #WorkaroundsRUs

    2 months ago • edited: 2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Katja Schulz: Ah - I saw the cat discussion, but didn't make the connection. I guess it might be good to code up subspecies into the wikimedia harvester then. I don't really have time at the moment, and I guess Patrick is up to his eyeballs, so it might just have to wait.

    2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Yan Wong:

    Of course, graueri would have caused the same problem. I should have checked for that. It's now fixed. All media in the Gorilla gorilla collection should now be Western Gorilla.

    Since we have a Gorilla gorilla diehli page, I have associated that image manually: http://eol.org/pages/10372989

    Ah, your last point explains why we're not getting Felis silvestris catus from Wikimedia Commons. We just discussed this in the Curator Community

    2 months ago

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    Alan Cassidy commented on "EOL Curators":

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    Yan Wong commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Katja Schulz: Thanks. That sounds like a reasonable compromise. I suspect there's a bit more to do too, because EoL currently has Gorilla gorilla graueri rather than the (now accepted) Gorilla beringei graueri, so pictures like http://eol.org/data_objects/24883522/ are still popping up on the Gorilla gorilla page.

    I also see that one of the nicest images on the Gorilla gorilla page is of the 4th subspecies, Gorilla gorilla diehli (http://eol.org/data_objects/27291925), but the subspecies designation hasn't been picked up by the wikimedia harvester. That's probably my fault for not coding up subspecies detection into that bit of code, but I don't have time to fix it now.

    2 months ago • edited: 2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Curators":

    @Michаel Frаnkis: Hm, for some odd reason, we are not getting a Wikimedia Commons hierarchy for the subspecies. The content of the WC Felis silvestris catus gallery gets imported to the EOL Felis silvestris media collection. That's why you see the domestic cat images there, but there is no hierarchy entry representing Felis silvestris catus: http://eol.org/pages/1037781/names?all Yan Wong was involved in developing our new Wikimedia Commons connector. I wonder if he understands what's going on here?

    2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Yan Wong: This one is hairy. The problem is due to the Paleobiology Database recognizing Gorilla beringei as a subspecies of Gorilla gorilla. I tried splitting the Gorilla gorilla beringei hierarchy entry from the Gorilla beringei. Hopefully, this will clean up the Gorilla gorilla media collection. Although it will leave us with a page for a taxon that should actually be synonymized with Gorilla beringei, but that's probably the lesser evil at the moment.

    2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Yan Wong: Thanks, it's great to get these problems squashed.

    2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Yan Wong: Myotis lucifugus and Myotis occultus are now separated. We should keep an eye on these pages though since taxa like this sometimes have a way to sneak back into one another's pages.

    2 months ago

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    Michаel Frаnkis commented on "EOL Curators":

    Just checked up, Wiki Commons does, treating it as Felis silvestris catus. I'm not sure that's taxonomically valid (as domesticated cats aren't a seperate genetic group from other Felis silvestris subspp), but it is nomenclaturally valid.

    2 months ago

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    Yan Wong commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Katja Schulz: Great, thanks for your hard work

    2 months ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "Taxon Clean-Up To Do List":

    @Yan Wong: This was because the genus Neoromicia was somehow mixed in with the Neoromicia guineensis page, so this page had media for all Neoromicia species. Should be fixed now.

    2 months ago