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  • Profile picture of Kari Pihlaviita who took this action.

    Kari Pihlaviita added the Finnish common name "Pikkutalvio" to "Vinca minor L.".

    11 months ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on an older version of Description:

    @jhilty: There's much to what you say, John. To be fair, the brief comments Michael leaves are what our system automatically adds when he uses curator checkboxes, they aren't the language he chooses (though we do encourage additional comments to explain). Also, we aren't set up to accommodate more than one preferred common name per language, so sometimes what happens is that the name gets changed back and forth depending on whether someone from UK or the US was the last to curate. This happens in birds, too.

    almost 2 years ago

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    jhilty commented on an older version of Description:

    As Cyndy Parr has indicated, my website was never intended to target a global audience. In general, I agree that it would be desirable to use both types of measurements, however that would involve changing the content of over 1,000 web pages. Rather than approach this on a piecemeal basis, it is better to make such changes throughout the website on a more systematic basis (so that I know what has, versus what hasn't, been changed). This is something that can't be done immediately, however, because of constraints on my time. Michael Frankis states that 95% of the world's population uses metric units, and uses this as an excuse to hide content. It seems to me that he is throwing out the baby with the bath water, as 100% of the world's population can't read hidden content. It should also be noted that the majority of the world's population can't read English either. And so, using your reasoning, Frank, all of the English content on EOL should also be hidden. Similarly, if a content partner of EOL submitted articles in German, those articles would have to be hidden as well because 95% or more of the world's population doesn't understand German, and so on, ad infinitum. The fundamental problem, here, is that Michael Frankis rarely makes comments that can be addressed and/or corrected. He makes very vague comments like "incorrect/misleading," "poor quality," etc. without providing specific information. On those rare occasions when he DOES provide specific information, it often turns out that he is wrong, or he makes the false assumption that a content provider should target either a global audience or academic audience exclusively. As an example, he hid content in response to the use of "Canada Thistle" for Cirsium arvense, claiming that it was misleading. However, Canada Thistle is by far the most commonly used common name for this species in the United States (as the Wikipedia article states). The common name, Creeping Thistle, is only used in Great Britain, and it's somewhat misleading too because this species doesn't actually creep along the ground. The fact is, many common names are misleading: 1) Blue-Eyed Grass (Sisyrinchium) isn't really a grass, it's in the Iris family. 2) Prickly Ash (Zanthoxylum americanum) isn't an ash, it's in the Citrus family. 3) Small-Leaved Lime (Tilia cordata) isn't related to the fruit of the same name, nor is it in the Citrus family. 4) Wool Grass (Scirpus cyperinus) isn't a grass, it's in the Sedge family. And so on and so forth. It isn't my responsibility to change common names of species that have been used for generations because they have misleading implications. Nor is this the responsibility of Michael Frankis.

    almost 2 years ago • edited: almost 2 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on an older version of Description:

    @Michаel Frаnkis: We use the same symbol for feet and inches?? Goodness, that's a bug and I'll be sure to correct it. As for how to handle non-metric measurements . . . I agree that it perhaps would be helpful to have both, but of course it is up to John whether he wants to change his entire site, which has a different intended audience. Could always build on John's work by adding a new article with the metric equivalents.

    almost 2 years ago

  • Profile picture of Michаel Frаnkis who took this action.

    Michаel Frаnkis commented on an older version of Comments:

    @jhilty: As you noted on one of the other comments, it is expressed here in feet, not inches. And the Flora of North America would disagree with the standard, they use standard measures throughout, with no imperial measuremnts at all; this is the best standard to follow for global understanding.

    almost 2 years ago

  • Profile picture of Michаel Frаnkis who took this action.

    Michаel Frаnkis commented on an older version of Description:

    @jhilty: It is misleading, or rather, incomprehensible, to the 95% of the world's population who don't use imperial units, or consider them to be unwelcome imperialism; and particularly incomprehensible given EOL's use of the same symbol for both feet and inches. Suggestion: add standard global scientific units first, with (if necessary) imperial measures in brackets after, and spelled out units not symbols.

    almost 2 years ago

  • Profile picture of jhilty who took this action.

    jhilty commented on an older version of Comments:

    Once again, the measurement unit of flower diameter is not missing; it is expressed in inches. This is a standard unit of measurement in North America. Secondly, the Comments section is intended to be open to various kinds of information, including subjective impressions. The purpose of the Comments section is more broad than this curator assumes.

    almost 2 years ago

  • Profile picture of jhilty who took this action.

    jhilty commented on an older version of Description:

    Non-metric measurement units are used in this description. These are commonly used in North America. Therefore, this description is neither inaccurate nor misleading.

    almost 2 years ago

  • Profile picture of Michаel Frаnkis who took this action.
  • Profile picture of Michаel Frаnkis who took this action.

    Michаel Frаnkis marked "File:Vinca major-minor margins.jpg" as trusted on the "Vinca minor L. (1753)" page.

    almost 2 years ago

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