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  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Creba -- what you are doing is VERY helpful. Right now we have to alert our programmer to individual cases to fix. But in the long run we need to get a sense of what the general fixes will be and it is very helpful to know how many different kinds of fixes are necessary.


    In some cases, we may be able to give curators (at least master curators) power to merge pages or add synonyms. We may also consider giving curators access to the tool that EOL staff use to set up general redirects. In both cases we have to design the tools well so that many people can use them and that they don't cause more problems than they solve. So it will take some time, and meanwhile a community that works together to find problems would be very useful. I'd prefer one community and there may be multiple collections that this community works on. Contents should be joined when pages are "merged."

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Bart C. who took this action.

    Bart C. commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    I have some additional remarks/questions relating to the duplicate page issue that I want to share in an other comment (to make the overview more clear). They relate to programming. First, are the programmers aware of these 'alternative names' issue and are there ideas to resolve this programmatically? If a solution is near, maybe collecting these pages is not worth the effort. I only collect the ones I bump into and I my feeling they happen very frequent (see the numbers I collected in just a few weeks). I would even think that if you found all duplicted pages your total number of 'taxa' in EOL will drop with a few 10.000 or even 100.000. To clean this up you first need a better programatic solution. Without some fancy additional programmatic algoritms I think it will take our lifetimes, except if you find 1000 other people to join your community and hope this will result in enough 'crowdsourcing' to get the desired effect. In the later programmers will also have a lot of adhoc work joining pages. Or do you think 3 people in this community to start with is better than nothing? Another thing is some feedback to the "redirect function" like Michael mentions. I am sure it already exists, I have seen it on EOL before. But I wonder if it is only redirecting, or are all contents also joined? Some synonyms have more content than the preferred name.

    about 3 years ago

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    Bart C. commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hi Wolfgang and Katja, My collection "Pages on eol of probable non preferred Synonyms" is a little more broad than synonyms leading to duplicated pages. Most colelcted taxa have indeed multiple pages, but some of the taxa I collected have only one page, but not under the name of the (presumably) preferred name. So, the current name is not in EOL. Also duplicated pages can occur when a content partner uses a different spelling. In most cases it is a flickr photo tagged with a name that contains a typo. I collect these in "Pages on eol with Misspelled scientific names". But also in this last group I have a page which has no duplication, I just doubt if it that one page on EOL has the correct spelling. I would be happy to create or join a community that handle these issues, but I would like to hear your ideas on how we approach this. For instance, do we create one community that handles all alternative names (synonyms + 'typo's') with several collections (taxa without a current name + duplicated pages because of these alternatives). Or do you prefer only a community for the duplicated pages (and another for pages with incorrect names)?

    about 3 years ago

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    Wolfgang Lorenz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Thanks! Yes, now I see Valter Jacinto's "Dulicated EOL pages" is pretty much what I had in mind, - and maybe Creba also had the same in mind: point to taxon pages that are duplicated because EOL was unaware of the synonymy. As for the phrase "invalid synonym", I agree it needs to be used with caution. Unless a name is invalid because of nomenclatural reasons - it often depends on a taxonomists subjective judgement what is seen as "invalid". In some cases, it might make sense to accept duplicated EOL pages because of alternative names in current usage (e.g., in tiger beetles), but then such pages should be cross-linked so that the user gets all informations. Wolfgang

    about 3 years ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hi Wolfgang, I think it would be great to have a community collection for EOL taxa (pages) that are likely to refer to the same group of organisms and should therefore be merged. In addition to Creba's Pages on eol of probable non preferred Synonyms, there's also Valter Jacinto's Duplicated EOL pages. We could ask either of them to create a community for their collection, or you could create a new community and then copy the taxa they have found into the focus collection. Creba is a member of this group, so s/he should be aware of this discussion. I just invited Valter to become a member of the discussion group, and I will also post a comment on his collection.

    about 3 years ago

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    Brian Maltzan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Wolfgang, some EOL members are creating collections of these and it is really helpful until we have a better way to do this. See http://eol.org/collections/6395

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of C. Michael Hogan who took this action.

    C. Michael Hogan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Wolfgang, your point is an important one. Please clarify your use of the phrase "invalid synonym". If you mean a synonym not universally accepted, i suggest an even better solution to the issue is what many data base managers call the "redirect function", i e a proxy page that redirects one to the preferred name when a user enters any synonym. i thought we already have such a function on the platform, in fact. If that is the case we merely need to add all the (synonym) examples one finds that are not yet in our redirect data base. And in that case, your idea of a collection to assemble these orphan synonyms is not a bad idea. cheers.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Wolfgang Lorenz who took this action.

    Wolfgang Lorenz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Good morning EOL-team, what do you think about the following: I'd like to create a community & collection that will collect double EOL-pages because of unretrieved synonyms. Ideally, EOL should be able to retrieve a species page even when you enter an invalid synonym in the search form. This does not yet work perfectly because, in some cases, different classifications used by EOL have the same species listed under different names without providing complete lists of synonyms (including secondary genus&epithet combinations!). In such situations, EOL is likely to have created more than one page for the same species and users are left alone with that disorder. Example: There are two EOL pages without cross-links for the beetle Anchomenus dorsalis: http://eol.org/pages/2869121 and http://eol.org/pages/3466129 Best regards, Wolfgang

    about 3 years ago • edited: about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Good suggestion, Michael, we'll discuss it.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of C. Michael Hogan who took this action.

    C. Michael Hogan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    When the live feed displays that someone comments on a species, the tease line should state what article was commented on. e.g. distribution, habitat....otherwise the comment makes no contextual sense.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of C. Michael Hogan who took this action.

    C. Michael Hogan commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Thanks, Jen, for the update on the "Curator display bug". Just to amplify, it is important to display that curator information on each of the species pages (e.g. article pages, image pages), not just the main landing page. cheers.

    about 3 years ago

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    Jennifer Hammock commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hi, Michael! Regarding the "page not curated" issue, Jeremy from Informatics reports that the information is definitely safe in our database; the bug just prevents it from showing on the page. They're working on it and send their apologies.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Eli Sarnat who took this action.

    Eli Sarnat commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Thanks Cyndy, that's a good start!

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    We do keep track of hits for monthly reports for partners, so you could go to any partner page that has the pages you are interested in to see if they are in the top results. The number of hits will be the same no matter which partner you look at. For example you can find monthly AntWeb stats here: http://eol.org/content_partners/6/statistics

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Eli Sarnat asked: "Is there any way users/curators can determine which EOL taxa get the most hits or queries? If so, is it possible to filter those results? For example, if I wanted to know which ant taxon pages (Formicidae) have received the most hits?"

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Katja Schulz who took this action.
    Katja Schulz removed "NHM staff" from the collection "The discussion collection".

    about 3 years ago

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    Katja Schulz removed "NMNH people on EOL" from the collection "The discussion collection".

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.
    Cyndy Parr added "Floyd Shockley" to the collection "NMNH people on EOL".

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.
    Cyndy Parr added "Carlos Garcia-Robledo" to the collection "NMNH people on EOL".

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.
    Cyndy Parr added "Richard Wilkerson" to the collection "NMNH people on EOL".

    about 3 years ago