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  • Profile picture of Eli Sarnat who took this action.

    Eli Sarnat commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    What recourse do curators have to address multiple identical objects appearing on the same taxon page? For example, the same Wikipedia object appears ~5 times on the following ant page

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Ken-ichi Ueda who took this action.

    Ken-ichi Ueda commented on "EOL Photographers":

    Hi all. I wrote the Flickr Tagger and am the co-director of iNaturalist (along with Scott Loarie). I just wanted to add that if you link your iNat account with your Flickr account you can add tags without cutting and pasting. Also, if you have questions or commets about the tagger please let us know in our Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/inaturalist I'll try and keep tabs on this forum too.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Scott Loarie who took this action.

    Scott Loarie commented on "EOL Photographers":

    Hi Andy - If a species you are interested in isn't already in iNaturalist, just import it from Catalog of Life or uBio. If you are logged in you'll see a big 'Not Seeing What You're Looking For?' box on the search page here: http://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/search?q=. I just used it to add C. pagurus http://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/120553-Cancer-pagurus try if yourself for Patella vulgata.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Andy Cowley who took this action.

    Andy Cowley commented on "EOL Photographers":

    iNaturalist failed to lookup the edible crab (Cancrr pagurus) or the common limpet (Patella vulgata) so it has very limited functionality so far. More trouble than its worth at present IMHO.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Gonçalo: Great question about Wikipedia articles in other languages. I'll have to check with our programmers. It might take a while to set up but would be a good idea.

    As for the synonyms, that's also a very interesting suggestion. It might work but I'll ask for other opinions.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Gonçalo Themudo who took this action.

    Gonçalo Themudo commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Is it possible to import Wikipedia articles in languages other than English?

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Gonçalo Themudo who took this action.

    Gonçalo Themudo commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Would it be a solution to create a collection for each set of synonyms and then add those collections to a master collection like Creba's or Valter's? Then, when the pages are merged, the collection could be deleted.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Gonçalo Themudo who took this action.

    Gonçalo Themudo commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Reading the duplicate pages and synonyms discussion below, I also miss a simple way to indicate that two pages should be merged. I think adding them to a collection with 1000 other pages will become confusing if you cannot indicate that two particular taxa are the synonyms.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Gonçalo Themudo who took this action.

    Gonçalo Themudo commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hi, I've been working on translating the website into portuguese at translatewiki (http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStats&group=out-eol-0-all). I noticed that several languages have completed their translations. When will the site be updated so it includes these languages? If you give me a date, maybe I can work extra hard to get the portuguese translation done in time for the update :).

    about 3 years ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Looks like it's overdue!
    Vimeo
    I have requested a forced harvest. Thanks for checking.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Eli Sarnat who took this action.

    Eli Sarnat commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hi Katja, do you think it is possible to try another vimeo harvest in the next couple of days? I uploaded a few videos, and would like to see if the tagging worked before I add some more. Thanks!

    about 3 years ago

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    Tracy Barbaro commented on "EOL Learning and Education Community":

    Check out the latest podcast from EOL!
    Ediacaran Fossils podcast

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Tracy  Barbaro who took this action.

    Tracy Barbaro commented on "EOL Photographers":

    Has anyone had the chance to try the iNaturalist taxonomic tags for Flickr tool for tagging images to share with EOL ? It is pretty fast and easy to look up the tags and then copy and paste them into Flickr.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Eli Sarnat who took this action.

    Eli Sarnat commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hi Katja, thanks for the vimeo info. No need for an ASAP harvest -- I can wait until the next one scheduled.

    about 3 years ago

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    Katja Schulz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Eli, Vimeo was last harvested 3 days ago. I'm not sure what the default harvest frequency is, but we can request a force harvest if you have new videos that need to be imported asap.

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Eli Sarnat who took this action.

    Eli Sarnat commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    How often does the vimeo.com site get harvested for EOL videos (assuming proper tagging/licensing)? Thanks!

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Cyndy Parr who took this action.

    Cyndy Parr commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Stijn, some of the concerns you have might be addressed if we get a more comprehensive bird classification that includes more synonyms and subspecies. I've sent a note to Denis Lepage at Avibase http://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/ but haven't heard back yet.

    Otherwise, thanks for all the good examples of problems we need to handle better. We'll be talking soon about ways to make the system work better.

    p.s. I enjoyed seeing your poster at TDWG.

    about 3 years ago

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    Cyndy Parr added "EOL Biodiversity Informatics Group " to the collection "The discussion collection".

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Stijn Cooleman who took this action.

    Stijn Cooleman commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Hello, I briefly share my reflections about the current linking between classifications based on examples in the newly published Afrotropical birds LifeDesk (at http://eol.org/collections/9528): 1) SYNONYMS 1.1) which aren't classified yet in EOL: - Not yet: Drepanorhynchus reichenowi http://eol.org/pages/4404388/ (according to the classification of Dickinson (ed.) 2003) - Already: Nectarinia reichenowi http://eol.org/pages/1051787/ (according to IUCN, CoL or ITIS) As an experimental test, I manually added the new associations via the two provided images of Drepanorhynchus reichenowi in order to link and display them on the taxon page of Nectarinia reichenowi. 1.2) which are already classified but not interlinked yet in EOL: - Accipiter francesiae http://eol.org/pages/7207605/ (according to IUCN or Dickinson (ed.) 2003) - Accipiter francesii http://eol.org/pages/913211/ (according to CoL or ITIS) Admins might have tools to merge pages, but the current favored reporting mechanism is to add the duplicate pages to collections for that purpose, according to an EOL staff member. Collections for reporting problematic names are for instance Creba's 'Pages on eol of probable non preferred Synonyms' (at http://eol.org/collections/6395) and Valter's 'Duplicated EOL pages' (at http://eol.org/collections/6782), which EOL staff are aware of and will be monitoring. 2) SUBSPECIES which are aren't yet classified in EOL: E.g. Cyanolanius madagascarinus (at http://eol.org/pages/1053347/) has no subspecies listed in the current EOL classifications CoL, IUCN,..., while there are three subspecies recognized by Dickinson (ed.) 2003. In the LifeDesk, there's at least one image on each subspecies taxon page, but they were not automatically linked to their EOL species page (only after manually adding new associations). So, wouldn't it be progressive if the LifeDesk/EOL harvest system could automatically link subspecies taxon pages with their species taxon page?

    about 3 years ago

  • Profile picture of Wolfgang Lorenz who took this action.

    Wolfgang Lorenz commented on "EOL Discussion Group":

    Dear all, coming back to the "duplicated pages" thread: I agree with Creba, there may be thousands of such pages and we can only detect the tip of the iceberg now. Nevertheless, I think it does make sense to collect examples in order to see the sorts of problems involved. I imagine, the EOL team has three major nightmares: homonyms (esp. at genus level), orphaned synonyms (esp. subsequent genus&epithet combinations that are incompletely documented in many catalogues), and misspellings. Of course, in addition to that, there will always be errors (misidentifications, etc.) that need to be fixed manually by expert curators, but I'm convinced there is a way to avoid sysyphus work on those 3 nightmares. Again, my vision is that a better "name parsing" strategy could be the key: Something that can produce more than naked name strings (see globalbames.org index) , but "semantically enhanced" human- and machine readable "nameGUIDs". This is what can become the stable basis of taxonomic names, and it can be "put in stone" (e.g., in a future authoritative ZooBank) so that at least homonyms, orphaned synonyms are no longer a nightmare, and even misspellings can be spotted more easily. I've tried a simple spreadsheet ( http://preview.tinyurl.com/6afl3f9 ) with some examples taken from duplicated EOL pages, homonyms, etc., annotated with "nameGUIDs" & recommendations for preferred names. Again, it's just an idea of how curators may work together and assemble things. Creba has also presented another example (Theclinae butterflies: http://eol.org/collections/6360 ) showing what expert curators can do. Wolfgang

    about 3 years ago